Comments on: Barharrow or as some call it Bar-Gharabh… http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/ A Forum about Prehistoric Rock Art in the British Islands Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:32:12 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: rockartwolf http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-129 rockartwolf Thu, 29 Mar 2007 06:34:08 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-129 Hi Hob, The problem with the marks is that the whole area not just those panels are covered in those natural marks, exactly the same in every way. Anyone wanting to see them while over this way let me know...never in a month of whatever day you like can these be called cup marks.... wolfy... ps i do have a problem with alot of the work done by Naddair...atleast 3 sites i know in Galloway, made up or expanding the truth. Hi Hob,

The problem with the marks is that the whole area not just those panels are covered in those natural marks, exactly the same in every way. Anyone wanting to see them while over this way let me know…never in a month of whatever day you like can these be called cup marks….

wolfy…

ps i do have a problem with alot of the work done by Naddair…atleast 3 sites i know in Galloway, made up or expanding the truth.

]]> By: hobsonish http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-128 hobsonish Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:33:12 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-128 I'm sceptical about Naddairs claims since my visit to Slockavullin. I'm not saying he gets it wrong, I'm just not sure that his threshold for natural vs artificial is a bit rose tinted i favour of the artificial. But it does bring up interesting thoughts about the enhanced natural feature concept. I can't help but think of the thingy youse found a while back that seemed a bit like a natural focus for an area of CnrR(can't recall the name, soz..). It also remonds me of a couple of strange things lurking round my way, Suz has photographed one of them, up by St Cuthberts Cave in Northumberland, there's another one near Hunterheugh. Both are whalebacks that look naturally eroded, but in a way that is totally inconsistent with weathering on other rocks nearby. It's tempting to think that these might be very, (VERY) eroded bits of 'enhanced natural features'. The whole idea of significant natural forms intrigues me at the moment. Pre-monumenal monuments kind thang. I’m sceptical about Naddairs claims since my visit to Slockavullin.
I’m not saying he gets it wrong, I’m just not sure that his threshold for natural vs artificial is a bit rose tinted i favour of the artificial.

But it does bring up interesting thoughts about the enhanced natural feature concept.
I can’t help but think of the thingy youse found a while back that seemed a bit like a natural focus for an area of CnrR(can’t recall the name, soz..).
It also remonds me of a couple of strange things lurking round my way, Suz has photographed one of them, up by St Cuthberts Cave in Northumberland, there’s another one near Hunterheugh. Both are whalebacks that look naturally eroded, but in a way that is totally inconsistent with weathering on other rocks nearby. It’s tempting to think that these might be very, (VERY) eroded bits of ‘enhanced natural features’.

The whole idea of significant natural forms intrigues me at the moment. Pre-monumenal monuments kind thang.

]]> By: Cupstones http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-124 Cupstones Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:45:52 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-124 Thats a puzzler of a site you have there Brian, I can see what Jan means about the grooves in the photo, they do look more artificial compared to the hollows. Maybe if KN and Co originally uncovered the outcrops, and it was all clean and fresh, perhaps some of the cups looked better at that time????? If you can find the 'excellent condition' spiral again, it might inspire abit more confidence for the other bits. Thats a puzzler of a site you have there Brian, I can see what Jan means about the grooves in the photo, they do look more artificial compared to the hollows. Maybe if KN and Co originally uncovered the outcrops, and it was all clean and fresh, perhaps some of the cups looked better at that time?????
If you can find the ‘excellent condition’ spiral again, it might inspire abit more confidence for the other bits.

]]> By: rockartuk http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-123 rockartuk Mon, 26 Mar 2007 20:54:12 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-123 Cheers Brian! Maybe its a good idea to sent a couple of pics to Les & Sue Knight. Maybe the can give an explanation for this kind of natural holes. Was not "Dolorite" a kind of sandstone which shows these cup-like hollows? A report to D&E Scotland could lead to an up-date in the Canmore files. Or is that the task of the D&G County archaeologist? All the best, Jan Cheers Brian!
Maybe its a good idea to sent a couple of pics to Les & Sue Knight. Maybe the can give an explanation for this kind of natural holes. Was not “Dolorite” a kind of sandstone which shows these cup-like hollows?
A report to D&E Scotland could lead to an up-date in the Canmore files.
Or is that the task of the D&G County archaeologist?
All the best,
Jan

]]> By: rockartwolf http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-122 rockartwolf Mon, 26 Mar 2007 19:53:13 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-122 Hi Jan, The panel we found in 2005 was number 8, on the opposite side of the road.. this shows the layout of the panels. <a href="http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1295/barrharrowmapnv7.jpg" rel="nofollow">Barharrow Map</a> Hope this helps.. Brian Hi Jan,

The panel we found in 2005 was number 8, on the opposite side of the road..

this shows the layout of the panels.

Barharrow Map

Hope this helps..

Brian

]]> By: rockartuk http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-121 rockartuk Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:55:56 +0000 http://rockartuk.wordpress.com/2007/03/25/barharrow-or-as-some-call-it-bar-gharabh/#comment-121 Hi B&S, Thanks for posting the Barharrow experience! At least the weather was good! Are these panels far from the one which you recorded in August 2005: http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/7499 It is very curious indeed that Mr Naddair reported the panels as being genuine cup-marks. Maybe status was gained by quantity instead of quality. However, I agree that the cups don't look good but the "runnels" or grooves are quite another story. Their pattern does suggest that they were man-made or enhanched. It would be a kind of unique if they were caused by weathering only. For sake of completeness, I'm thinking of loading your photos up to BRAC, Brian! Cheers, Jan Hi B&S,
Thanks for posting the Barharrow experience! At least the weather was good!
Are these panels far from the one which you recorded in August 2005:
http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/7499
It is very curious indeed that Mr Naddair reported the panels as being genuine cup-marks. Maybe status was gained by quantity instead of quality.
However, I agree that the cups don’t look good but the “runnels” or grooves are quite another story. Their pattern does suggest that they were man-made or enhanched.
It would be a kind of unique if they were caused by weathering only.
For sake of completeness, I’m thinking of loading your photos up to BRAC, Brian!
Cheers,
Jan

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